Short Changed

1 Aug

With the impending departure of David Eckstein, the Cardinals are caught in something of an awkward position.  Eckstein is getting old and has always been a marginally above average offensive player.  If his bat speed slips or the injuries catch up, how much longer does he retain his usefulness?  Compounding the problem is the lack of free agents capable of fielding the position.  Eckstein is obviously the best FA available but he’s going to require a multiyear commitment and he’s simply not a good bet to maintain his value going forward.  PECOTA projects him as worth less than a win offensively each year after 2007.  UZR likes his defense as above average but not significantly so.  Simply put, committing to David Eckstein being worth more than perhaps a win total each year moving forward is a bad bet. 

Brendan Ryan has seen some time with the big league club but I remain unconvinced in his ability to be a major league regular.  His minor league stats show a player that can hit for average but doesn’t walk enough or hit for power.  I think Ryan would make an excellent backup middle infiedler where his plus defense could be utilized in late innings and as the occasional pinch hitter where a base hit is more important than a walk.  Perhaps he develops as more than that but its not a projection that I’d endorse.

So, what’s a Cardinal GM to do? 

Make a trade of course.  And I’ve got a dandy for you.  Bill Stoneman is a packrat and refuses to trade away the often-mentioned Angel prospects even past their expiration date.  I have to assume that multiple big league teams have put out feelers regarding Erick Aybar but to no avail.  Frankly, I’m not that big of an Aybar fan.  I’ve got someone better in mind.  Imagine a player that has a better (or at least more highly regarded) prospect hot on his heels and is being blocked by another relatively young player (at least with regards to service time).  This players team has seemed to sour on him due to an inability to transition to the majors thus far.  That sounds like someone ripe for the plucking, no?

If you haven’t guessed by now, I’m speaking of Ben Zobrist.  He’s 26 and is currently in a utility role for Tampa Bay.  Now, let’s preface this discussion with the fact that Tampa Bay’s new management, namely Andrew Freidman, is smart.  If you want Zobrist,  you’ll have to give up something of value — but well get to that later.  Show me the stats!

Year Level BB% K% AVG OBP SLG ISOP wOBA
2005 A 15.2 11.3 0.304 0.415 0.413 0.109 0.369
2005 A+ 20.6 9.4 0.333 0.475 0.496 0.163 0.429
2006 AA 14.6 12.2 0.327 0.424 0.473 0.146 0.393
2006 AAA 12.3 11.1 0.304 0.395 0.377 0.073 0.352
2007 AAA 15.6 13.8 0.279 0.4 0.455 0.176 0.378

Zobrist has excellent contact rates (note he had more walks than strikeouts in over 250 plate appearnces at AAA this season) which allows for him to hit for average.  Additionally, he maintains very good walk rates which puts his OBP through the stratosphere.  Even assuming both of those skillsets take a hit moving up to the big leagues, I think he’s capable of posting an OBP around .380 in the majors which is fantastic for a SS.  He’s an ideal two-spot hitter who isn’t going to hit many HRs but will be on base and lace a few doubles from time to time.  His linedrive rates have declined somewhat this year but that could be a sample size blip — to soon to tell.  He’s benefited from some above-league-average BABIPs but not overly much.  Again, his skillset is one that even if there is an element of luck in some of these performances, he could see his numbers decline and still be above average.

Defensively, it’s hard to get a read on him.  He’s probably not going to be mistaken as an above average defensive SS but without any defensive metrics, it’s hard to tell.  UZR and RZR haven’t liked his work in the majors defensively but the sample size issues render that information unreliable.  BP’s component based defensive metrics like his work in the minors but their defensive statistcs are questionable at best. I think he’s probably a below average defender which could be problematic for the Cardinals groundball oriented pitching staff.

Year Level BB% K% AVG OBP SLG ISOP wOBA
2006 MLB 5.1 13.3 0.224 0.258 0.311 0.087 0.247
2007 MLB 0 21.1 0.174 0.169 0.232 0.058 0.172

His major league stats are completely out of whack with what we saw in the minors.  He hasn’t been able to translate the high walk rate into an acceptable batting line in the majors.  He could be getting fooled by major league pitches that are harder to guess at but I suspect that he just never got into his groove.  He totaled around 200 PA in 2006 and about 60 this year so there’s more reason to believe his stats from the high minors than these perhaps.  These numbers should temper our expectations but should we ignore the minor league lines?  I don’t think so and I think there’s an excellent opportunity to capture a player that’s something of a diamond in the rough.

It’s always difficult to anticipate what the market is for players and the Devil Rays have held on to prospects despite them not working out as well as initially planned (Gomes, Baldelli).  The upside for Zobrist is there but Brignac is still seen as the SS of the future in Tampa to pair with 3B Evan Longoria whom they just promoted to AAA.  I’d make a run for him though.  I’d see if I could get Tampa to bite on some of our better relief prospects forming a package around Tyler Johnson and Jason Motte and tossing in perhaps another player at a lower level.  Tampa is desperate to grab onto major league ready relievers and Zobrist seems extraneous to a team that has another option now and a better option a year or two off.  The exchange of cost-controlled players should be palatable to Tampa because they certainly won’t want anyone already in arbitration or heading to free agency.  The names may not be right but the scenario is plausible to me.  Hopefully, I’ll be reading it in the papers before 2008.

(Stats from the always handy firstinning.com)

18 Responses to “Short Changed”

  1. whiteyball August 1, 2007 at 1:41 pm #

    I try to find something via trade. I just could not see giving Eck a multi year deal. Look how the Cards are stuck with Edmonds and Rolen. I would rather go with Ryan and maybe see what becomes available during 08 via trade or after the season as a free agent than give Eck a multi year deal.

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  2. mstreeter06 August 1, 2007 at 1:48 pm #

    over on vivaelbirdos someone suggested the cards could try for a tejada waiver deal. i think he’d be a great fit and tejada could be like a larry walker waiver deal. any thoughts about the possibility?

  3. fpslackers August 1, 2007 at 2:26 pm #

    I think we’ll see Eckstein back next year. As you pointed out, relying on Ryan to take over the position could be dangerous. With the FA market looking horrible at shortstop, it will have to take something creative like a trade to find a replacement. This is much easier said than done. We know Eckstein will want to come back probably. We know that he is a fan favorite and it might look bad to not bring him back. I’m not saying this is a good reason to bring him back, but looking at it realistically, I’m sure that does carry some weight with the decision.

    Another thing to think about, if we let Eckstein walk, we not only lose a shortstop, but we lose our leadoff hitter. So we need to find a replacement in that spot as well.

  4. erik August 1, 2007 at 2:29 pm #

    fpslackers…but eckstein isn’t worth keeping around for $3-$5.5 mil for the equivalent of a win or 2 in the standings. and he hasn’t been able to stay on the field. personally, i think i’d prefer they give the job to ryan and save the dough, but if WJ can swing a deal for an underappreciated player like Zobrist, even better.

  5. Andrew August 1, 2007 at 2:42 pm #

    Good work, AZ. Agree that SS is in need of creative solution for next year and going forward. I’d love to see WJ go get Zobrist or the like, though it’s hard to imagine such a trade taking place. StL is just not the type of organization to make such a deal–JD Drew was the last one in the ballpark.

    Jose Martinez is holding his own at AA at 21 years old. What’s his ceiling? Is he a bench guy like Brendan Ryan?

  6. houstoncardinal August 1, 2007 at 2:52 pm #

    I suggested Zobrist a week or two ago over at VEB. I think this is a good idea — I think it might take Reyes, or a package built around him rather than Tyler Johnson, to do it.

    Of course, now that the Rays traded Wigginton, they moved Brendan Harris and called up Zobrist to play SS. Reid Brignac has had a tough year so they may commit themselves to Zobrist for a while.

    Maybe they see Longoria as someone who’ll be ready next year so they could make that trade. In my struggles to find the next Cardinal SS, Zobrist is the one who makes the most sense to me. Great idea, AZ.

  7. bgodar August 1, 2007 at 3:06 pm #

    Thanks for the research and insight behind this proposal. It’s nice to read a trade proposal that might actually happen.

    Sounds like Zobrist is worth a shot, especially for the price you suggest. But the realization that this may be our best realistic option is a sobering one.

  8. lawless August 1, 2007 at 4:41 pm #

    Agreed – Great Post. Zobrist sounds like an interesting guy to take a shot on, although, personally I’d hate to see Reyes go.

    In my heart of hearts I would rather see the Cards go Crazy and offer AROD 8 and 200 to play SS well for a few years then move over to 3B. He punches the clock everyday, which to me is big. I also think he could be an above average SS. A few things would have to happen though (Unicorns and Keebler Elves drag racing on the rings of Saturn to start). There just isn’t any impact SSs to be had, Zobrist would be interesting and is realistic though…

    Dream on – I know…

  9. azruavatar August 1, 2007 at 6:05 pm #

    mstreeter – my concern with the Orioles is they were rumored to be asking for something along the lines of Brandon Wood, Nick Adenhart and some other B-/C+ prospect. That price is too high in terms of talent. (Note: I’d rather not make this a Tejada thread from here out — AlxFritz’s diary at VeB is the right place for those comments as he began that very worthy discussion. You can read my thoughts over there.)

  10. DJ87 August 1, 2007 at 10:58 pm #

    I know both are small sample sizes, but given the fact that Ryan has been okay in the minors and great in the majors and Zobrist has been great in the minors and bad in the majors and the fact that Ryan is good defensively while Zobrist is average, I think I’d still just stick with Ryan for next year and see who is available via FA for 2009.

  11. Shaneo69 August 2, 2007 at 8:40 am #

    What about Clint Barmes?

  12. Paul August 2, 2007 at 11:09 am #

    AROD!

  13. OCCardsFan August 2, 2007 at 5:28 pm #

    Erik Aybar

  14. azruavatar August 2, 2007 at 5:59 pm #

    Presumably that is an attempt to correct my spelling above. Please do your HW.

    MILB
    MLB

    It’s spelled Erick. And as I mentioned above, Bill Stoneman has had several opportunities to move prospects and hasn’t made a move in years. I don’t consider Aybar an option.

  15. OCCardsFan August 3, 2007 at 4:54 pm #

    AZ, no I wasn’t trying to correct you. I think the Cards have got to look at him. I agree Stoneman has been ridiculously stingy but Aybar is ready and it seems that perhaps we could send something their way that would make him move. Or maybe he will be willingly to deal Cabrera in the offseason.

    I have advocated a Dunc for Aybar trade. Now I would say that we need something else coming our way if we are giving up Dunc, but Dunc would be a great fit for the Angels. They need power in a bad way. Alternatively maybe we could create a package that includes Reyes or Mather.

  16. erik August 3, 2007 at 5:52 pm #

    losing duncan would crush our offense. it’s him and pujols, no one else has hit. he’s far too valuable to trade, esp. for aybar and extra parts. and you’re talking about trading reyes and mather….i’m lost.

  17. Shhh August 3, 2007 at 6:34 pm #

    Just to throw out a couple more names, Ronny Cedeno or Bobby Crosby.

  18. Hornets 30 November 21, 2007 at 6:40 pm #

    I think it is a good idea to get zobrist. Just give the Rays a Few Relief Pitchers.

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