MLB 2007 Rule 4 Amateur Baseball Draft

7 Jun

[Update 4:54 – azruavatar] I’m taking off for a few hours. I’m perfectly furious over the first two picks we made. Maybe when I cool off, it won’t look so bad but I’m really frustrated right now. We’ll have some draft reactions for you over the next few days and we’ll keep up the Daily Prospect Reports as well.

Thanks everyone for stopping by today. We’ve seen 3x the traffic today that we’ve ever seen before in a single day. I hope you enjoyed following the draft with me even if it didn’t go as we may have wanted. [End Update]

Are you ready to rumble?!?!?! Oops, wrong sport (does anyone else remember being a kid and thinking how cool wrestling was — ya, that was a while ago).

Well, we’ve been coving the upcoming draft for a couple weeks now here at FR and now that it’s here I’m pretty excited. I’ll be covering the cardinals picks as they happen from 1pm CST to 5pm CST on ESPN2. Hopefully, erik can sneak by with some wisdom from time to time but I’m sure that we’ll both be breaking down the draft for the next couple days. VeB will have periodic updates as well (draft thread) so keep an eye over there.

I remember last June when they had the draft. I was at work in downtown STL and I was checking VeB on a semi-regular basis (I’m an intern, we don’t actually do anything) until the site crashed. I was really distressed at the time. Now I took a day off explicitly so I could watch it be televised — yes I’m that much of a baseball geek. I’m also assuming since you’re here checking in on the draft you’ve got a little bit of baseball geek in you too.

So sit back and enjoy the draft.

Cardinals Pick #18 Peter Kozma – Here’s what BA has to say about Kozma who they ranked number 39:

Scouting Report: There may not be a true middle infielder drafted in the first round this year, but Kozma is as good a candidate as any. He impressed scouting directors when his team made a swing through Florida in late March, and he had a three-homer game in an Oklahoma 6-A playoff contest. Kozma has no true standout tool, but he also has no glaring weakness. He grades out as average to slightly above-average in every tool except power, and he does have pop. His instincts help him play above his physical ability at bat, on the bases and in the field. He has good plate coverage and uses the entire field, projecting as a future No. 2 hitter in a big league lineup. Coming into the spring, some scouts questioned whether he’d be a long-term shortstop, but he has no doubters now. A Wichita State recruit, Kozma draws raves for his consistency and energy as well.

From ESPN who rates on the 20-80 scale, Kozma gets solid 55-ish scores across the board excepting power. Here’s their summary:

Best asset is his feel for the game; really knows how to play. Reminds of a young Michael Young. Has good baseball instincts. Makes contact and has good strike-zone awareness. Sees ball well. Has some pop out in front with bat. Good baserunner. Solid-average arm, especially when moving in. Showed good range to his left. Will be 8-10 homer type, alley-to-alley hitter. Could be a good No.2 bat. Can steal a base, likes to run, makes things happen.

Michael Young (pre-2007) would be nice but I hope he’s better than that defensively. A 55 score is a slightly above average player. A 60 is an allstar caliber player. Basically with their first draft pick, they cardinals failed to pick what ESPN’s scouts think is even an allstar caliber player. But he’s got a great feel for the game.

Cardinals #36 Pick – RHP Clayton Mortenson. From MILB:

While there are often college seniors who make very good pros, it’s rare for there to be one like Mortensen, a legitimate “prospect” on the rise in his senior season. He’s got three usable pitches and a body frame that appears able to handle added strength, which could make his fastball even better. He should be a very intriguing senior sign this summer.

This is worse than the Kozma pick. Horrible. Hate the Cardinals draft so far. Hate. Hate Hate. From BA:

Until this season, the gangly Mortensen was all projection and little production. His velocity took a jump (up to 92 mph) last summer in the West Coast Collegiate League, but his command remained spotty. He was shellacked at Arizona in his first start this season, but since then has had some of the best stuff in the West. Mortensen features a heavy 90-94 mph fastball with excellent sink. His secondary stuff grades as average now, with future plus grades as well: a hard slider and changeup featuring deceptive arm speed. His command is below-average. He’s a senior sign with upside, though, and could go as high as the third round.

Wrong Baseball America. Luhnow and crew were so desperate to get this third rounder they took him 36 overall. (I think I’ve died a little on the inside after the first two picks).

#1 – Tampa Bay – LHP David Price – MILB, ESPN, BA

#2 – Royals – SS Mike Moustakas – MILB, ESPN

#3 – Cubs – 3B Josh Vitters – MILB, ESPN

#4 – Pirates – LHP Daniel Moskos – MILB, ESPN

#5 – Orioles – C Matt Wieters – MILB, ESPN

#6 – Nationals – LHP Ross Detwiler – MILB, ESPN

#7 – Brewers – 1B Matt LaPorta – MILB, ESPN

#8 – Rockies – RHP Casey Weathers – MILB

#9 – Diamondbacks – RHP Jarrod Parker – MILB, ESPN

#10 – Giants – LHP Madison Bumgarner – MILB, ESPN

#11 – Mariners – RHP Phillipe Aumont – MILB, ESPN

#12 – Marlins – 3B Matt Dominguez – MILB, ESPN

#13 – Indians – 3B Beau Mills – MILB

#14 – Braves – OF Jason Heyward – MILB, ESPN

#15 – Reds – C Devin Mesoraco – MILB, ESPN

#16 – Blue Jays – 3B Kevin Ahrens – MILB

#17 – Rangers – RHP Blake Beavan – MILB

#18 – Cardinals – SS Peter Kozma – MILB, ESPN

#19 – Phillies – LHP Joe Savory – MILB, ESPN

#20 – Dodgers – RHP Christopher Withrow – MILB, ESPN

#21 – Blue Jays – C JP Arencibia – MILB

#22 – Giants – RHP Tim Alderson – MILB, ESPN

#23 – Padres – LHP Nicholas Schmidt – MILB, ESPN

#24 – Rangers – RHP Michael Main – MILB, ESPN

#25 – White Sox – LHP Aaron Poreda – MILB

#26 – Athletics – RHP James Simmons – MILB, ESPN

#27 – Tigers – RHP Rick Porcello – MILB, ESPN

#28 – Twins – CF Ben Revere – MILB

#29 – Giants – Wendell Fairly – (no scouting reports)

#30 – Yankees – Andrew Brackman – MILB, ESPN

[AZ 1:00pm ] Sweetness. Bring it on ESPN. Draft coverage begins!!! Steve Phillips is hosting. . . really? ugh. At least Gammons is there.

[AZ 1:10pm] DRays on the clock — and we’re off!!!

[AZ 1:14] Why do the DRays need the full five minutes to make their pick? Anyone?

[AZ 1:15] David Price – #1 pick.

[AZ 1:23] Royals pick Moustakas #2. Cubbies up next.

[AZ 1:25] Previous Cub top draft picks Kerry Wood and Mark Prior — way to jinx the next pick ESPN.

[AZ 1:31] Cubs draft Vitters. Odds on him being converted to a pitcher and needing Tommy John? #18 seems a long way off. . .

[AZ 1:32] Daniel Moskos to the Pirates #4. That’s considerably higher than I would have expected Moskos to go. I’d have picked Detweiler of Moskos.

[AZ 1:38] Orioles take Weiters. Solid pick by the Orioles. I’m always a fan of good hitters that have a good chance of sticking at premium defensive positions. Nationals are up next.

[AZ 1:42] Nice pickup by the Nationals. I think the Pirates missed out on this one.

[AZ 1:48] Brewers select Matt LaPorta. Prince Fielder will likely slide over to SS to make room.

[AZ 1:54] Can you imagine Fielder at SS? The Rockies pick Casey Weathers. I not a huge fan of picking relievers early, but this makes sense for the Rockies. He throws hard with some sinking pitches and Fuentes could be leaving at the trade deadline.

[AZ 1:59] Diamondbacks pick Parker. First HS pitcher selected in the draft.

[AZ 2:04] Bumgarner. . . la de da. Waiting for the Cardinals to pick.

[AZ 2:10] Mariners pick Aumont. I’ll be interested to see what the guys at USSmariner say about that tomorrow.

[AZ 2:17] Dominguez gone. . .Ahrens is still on the board as a nice infield prospect.

[AZ 2:22] Mills is listed as a 3B but he’s likely a DH in the making. I really dislike picking defensively challenged hitters. Have I mentioned that before?

[AZ 2:27] Braves draft a georgia native. . .surprised? I’m not. Huge power potential for Heyward. . .probably a corner outfielder.

[AZ 2:33] Devin Mesaraco — I’m caught off guard by that. Ahrens and Main still on the board.

[AZ 2:35] No seriously. Prince Fielder future SS. He’s got better intagibles than Jeter. He may even be in Jeter’s defensive class. ZING! The Mesoraco pick isn’t high, I just wasn’t expecting it from the Reds.

[AZ 2:38] Damn you Blue Jays.

[AZ 2:40] Arrieta is still on the board — please no, please no, please no

[AZ 2:42] There are some good arms out there: Porcello and Main (I’m not a harvey fan but he’s there too).

[AZ 2:45] here we go cardinals here we go.

[AZ 2:47] ugh. . .i’ll get back to you on this pick.

[erik 2:49] seems like a bit of a reach to me. solid, not spectacular. i would’ve rather had main or another pitcher. not happening w/luhnow. darn.

[AZ 2:54] erik’s nicer than I am. I really dislike this pick. There are far better players on the board. I don’t care if he’s a middle infielder he wasn’t a #18 pick. blech.

[AZ 2:59] Ok – well we still have 3 picks in the 1st/2nd round left. Maybe we’ll get some higher upside player at 36.

[AZ 3:01] From BP chat Bryan Smith:

BSmith (12:59:59 PM PST): Interesting pick by the Cardinals, who take the draft’s first shortstop in Peter Kozma. It’s a bit of an overdraft relative to most draft boards, but Kozma has a little less risk than your average prep shortstop. What comes with that, however, is less of an upside than other prep shortstops in the draft like Justin Jackson, Will Middlebrooks, and to me, Drew Cumberland.

Maybe he’ll move through the system fast but I think the consensus is that he was a little overdrafted. Still he’s a Cardinal now so it’s time to welcome him to the Cardinal Family!

[AZ 3:07] Still mourning the pass on Porcello. When you’re the Cardinals the ‘signability’ issue shouldn’t play a role in your first round pick. Sorry but it shouldn’t.

[AZ 3:14] I’m really hopeful they get the #36 pick in before 5pm. It’s gonna be close call though. I kinda feel bad for Kozma. He’s got really limited upside on a year when the Cardinals had a chance at much better players. I’m not sure it’s gonna be easy to embrace him as a player for a couple years. . .when I can forget about who we passed on. Padres got fooled into picking a safe college pitcher — is there some collusion going on against Porcello?

[AZ 3:18] I’m not really a Boras detractor but if I’m Porcello, I got to wonder if Boras hasn’t serious hurt my draft money and slot.

[AZ 3:20] Nice pick by the Rangers. (Would have been an acceptable pick by the Cardinals at 18).

[AZ 3:26] I’m thinking about the Kozma pick and I think his upside is someone like Marcus Giles but playing SS. Giles doesn’t excel anywhere but he’s good for a .280/.350/.450 line with good defense. Again, this isn’t what I was hoping for from a #1 pick but I think that’s what we got. Marcus Giles type players can be underrated but I think the opposite happened here.

[AZ 3:36] They snagged Andrew Miller at #6 last year and now they get Porcello. A fantastic pick by the Tigers. Kudos to them for stepping up to the plate and being prepared to pay the money that a top talent is going to want.

[AZ 3:43] Twins pick a tiny CF with no power. Yuck. I’m glad we didn’t make that pick. I’m totally unconvinced that he’ll be able to hit for average or power or even get on base. He does have great speed and baserunning skills. Steve Phillips is talking about manufacturing runs with Revere. Phillips was a GM. No, don’t laugh, it’s true. This is a worse pick than Kozma imo.

[AZ 3:45] Baseball America had Revere as the 135th best prospect. WOWzer that looks like a bad pick.

[AZ 3:50] BA lists Fairley as the best HS athlete. He was a multiple sport athlete and ESPN is loving this pick. Comparisons to Carl Crawford are flying left and right. Steve Phillips literally just repeated what Gammons said word for word as if it was his own thought. Classic!

[AZ 3:54] Love the Brackman pick. Good point by some guy on ESPN – “If this was in Februrary, Brackman would be at the top half of this first round”. He may need TJ surgery in the near future but I still think this is a great upside pick.

[AZ 4:10] Players the Cardinals should target at #36 – Matt Harvey, Josh Smoker, Jack McGeary

[AZ 4:45] Sorry stepped away for a bit. Back for a few more minutes of draft talk.

[AZ 4:53] From the BP chat again. Bryan Smith succintly sums up my frustration with the Kozma pick:

BSmith (2:52:08 PM PST): Earlier I wondered why the Cardinals took Peter Kozma ahead of Justin Jackson and Drew Cumberland … now, the two go back-to-back in sandwich round.

[erik 5:28] the Clay Mortensen pick has me scratching my head. sounds like he has nominal to decent stuff, but was projected more as a 4th rounder. He posted a 3.92 ERA in an extreme pitchers park. There was so much more to choose from, like say Mitch Canham, Brett Cecil, Nathan Vineyard, Corey Brown, Matt Mangini. It’s dreadful, or at least that’s how I see it now.

[erik 5:39] just when I got done groaning over Mortensen, they do it again and pick David Kopp. This guy’s ceiling looks to be 4th starter. He’s allowed more hits then innings pitched and has a K/9 rate of 6.88. That’s just not worth a 2nd round pick. What the heck is Luhnow doing? I’m officially angry, to put it very mildly.

[erik 5:46] Another college pitcher. Jess Todd. I don’t know, I’m tempted to be pretty harsh with criticism right now. I’ll wait til I can get home and examine these guys more, but color me dismayed right now. What a let down this day has been.

[erik 6:27] Cardinals pick in the 3rd round David Descalso, an infielder from UC Davis. I haven’t heard of him until now. His line this year were .397/.474/.569. Adjusted for park and schedule, his OPS comes out to be 1.248, for what it’s worth. Matt Harvey was still (!) on the board, yet they passed. I’m not sure what to make of this, he plays third, has shown little to no power. I want to give the benefit of the doubt, but I’m pretty exasperated at this point.

[erik] still trapped at work, but going home now. Kyle Russell. YES! Love the pick. Love it, love it. love it. Best news I’ve had all day.

78 Responses to “MLB 2007 Rule 4 Amateur Baseball Draft”

  1. whiteyball June 7, 2007 at 11:32 am #

    According to BA, there is already some shuffling at the top. Gotta love it.

  2. Balkroth June 7, 2007 at 12:31 pm #

    Per Smiths comments over at BP

    “BSmith (11:38:22 AM PST): Nate, these teams are used to making their choices within seconds, for those of you that were familiar with the previous conference call format. These teams might be making last minute calls on signability issues, but for almost every team, the decision was made this morning.

    all for show

  3. erik June 7, 2007 at 12:40 pm #

    dang it. no wieters.

  4. whiteyball June 7, 2007 at 12:45 pm #

    Detwiler was just picked, he is probably not the highest player from the state of MO ever selected, but who is?

    http://whiteyball.wordpress.com

  5. guayzimi June 7, 2007 at 12:55 pm #

    Fielder to short… I like that. Do the Brewers think they’re still in the AL?

  6. erik June 7, 2007 at 1:00 pm #

    hey, az my wisecrack…er, comments keep disappearing in the main post for some reason

  7. azruavatar June 7, 2007 at 1:03 pm #

    hmm. . .ok — I think I know why. it’s they way I’ve been updating. Feel free to insert comments hencehforth. I’ll make my updates immediately after the pick.

  8. erik June 7, 2007 at 1:08 pm #

    thought it was something like that. wordpress, you maniacal evil beast..how i love you..and hate you! sorry, draft day and caffeine have messed me up today.

  9. azruavatar June 7, 2007 at 1:09 pm #

    sry bout that erik — once I’ve got the MILB/ESPN link, i’ll retreat from the editing screen for you. should take care of the problem.

  10. erik June 7, 2007 at 1:21 pm #

    well, ahrens is still looking like a possibility, as is main. dang, mills is off the board. nice pickup by cleveland. i bet luhnow is not too thrilled.

  11. erik June 7, 2007 at 1:28 pm #

    very predictible but good pick by the bravos

  12. azruavatar June 7, 2007 at 1:30 pm #

    (Erik and I secretly share a telepathic link and are reading each others minds).

  13. erik June 7, 2007 at 1:31 pm #

    $5 the reds take ahrens…edit:well i’ll be. good thing no one took me up no that.

  14. Bill June 7, 2007 at 1:32 pm #

    I would have loved Heyward…oh well.

  15. erik June 7, 2007 at 1:37 pm #

    leave it to ricciardi to slow things down…c’mon, let’s go…oh, dang

  16. whiteyball June 7, 2007 at 1:37 pm #

    brackman, porcello, main still on the board

    http://whiteyball.wordpress.com

  17. John June 7, 2007 at 1:37 pm #

    What about taking Porcello ??

  18. whiteyball June 7, 2007 at 1:40 pm #

    john,

    it all depends on the $$$.

    http://whiteyball.wordpress.com

  19. tnek5 June 7, 2007 at 1:41 pm #

    who?

  20. Andrew June 7, 2007 at 1:41 pm #

    Porcello, Main, Harvey? I can’t really see them taking Porcello, unfortunately.

  21. John June 7, 2007 at 1:43 pm #

    Porcello or Harvey Please, Not Arrieta

  22. azruavatar June 7, 2007 at 1:44 pm #

    if they pick a college starter at this point. I may have to find a different computer to blog from because I’ll throw this one out the bleeping window.

  23. tnek5 June 7, 2007 at 1:45 pm #

    it’s going to be a college player….

  24. Andrew June 7, 2007 at 1:45 pm #

    Would have loved an infielder. Better not take Borbon…

  25. Brandon June 7, 2007 at 1:45 pm #

    Here comes Porcello

  26. tnek5 June 7, 2007 at 1:46 pm #

    i think we need a ss or good middle infield prospect

  27. Brandon June 7, 2007 at 1:46 pm #

    Rick Porcello, RHP, Seton Hall Prep — Descriptions like “clean delivery” standout when reading the Cards. Velocity. 81 Ks to 7 BB in high school. Changeup. Plus there’s some think he could be better with some refinement.

  28. andy June 7, 2007 at 1:47 pm #

    Hopefully Schmidt

  29. Andrew June 7, 2007 at 1:48 pm #

    Well, he’s an infielder. Bit of reach, though, huh?

  30. tnek5 June 7, 2007 at 1:48 pm #

    who? Well, i’m happy…..

  31. Shhhh June 7, 2007 at 1:49 pm #

    I hate the Cardinals.

  32. Bill June 7, 2007 at 1:53 pm #

    SAFE SAFE SAFE BORING SAFE SAFE BORING SAFE CHEAP SAFE…

  33. kindred June 7, 2007 at 1:53 pm #

    wha? looks like we just drafted a taller Eckstein.

  34. kindred June 7, 2007 at 1:53 pm #

    and i don’t mean that in a good way.

  35. erik June 7, 2007 at 1:54 pm #

    guys, kozma isn’t a bad player. at all. i would’ve liked an arm, but thems the breaks. he’s a solid player all around, the best true middle infielder of the draft.

  36. azruavatar June 7, 2007 at 1:57 pm #

    he’s not bad — I was hoping for a wonderful splash into the draft though.

  37. tnek5 June 7, 2007 at 1:57 pm #

    i’m for it. I’m tired of picking up middle infielders that don’t seem to pan out. Hopefully this guy will progress quickly and we will see him by 2010.

  38. Balkroth June 7, 2007 at 2:00 pm #

    Hmph. Safe, not much upside, probably capable of being above average at second.

    I can’t say it’s bad or good, I just kinda get an “eh” feeling.

  39. whiteyball June 7, 2007 at 2:00 pm #

    Follow the link below for a lot of info on Kozma. Reminds me of Rasmus a little bit. Great work erik and az.

    http://whiteyball.wordpress.com

  40. Shhhh June 7, 2007 at 2:04 pm #

    The thing is Porcello is the best pitching prospect out of HS since Beckett. 10M really isn’t that much.

    Kozma is average/above average SS, but theres a decent chance he’s there at 36 and if he isnt Justin Jackson (who I like more) would probably be.

  41. John June 7, 2007 at 2:15 pm #

    Cannot believe the pick by the birds. Are they that cheap. Porcello was right there for the taking. Now Alderson is gone too.

  42. John June 7, 2007 at 2:16 pm #

    Wow, the Giants have really made hay. Two great prospect arms in the 1st round alone.

  43. SleepyCA June 7, 2007 at 2:22 pm #

    How can the same player have “less risk” and “less upside”? That sounds like Joe Morgan-speak to me. Unless they mean risk as in a signability thing. To me “risk” would be defined as “relative to his potential to become a big league shortstop” and the more “upside” a player has, the more likely it’ll be that he makes it. A so-so player or even a star college player with no “upside” would seem to have incredible risk because it’s very unlikely that he’ll make it through the minor league gauntlet.

  44. azruavatar June 7, 2007 at 2:25 pm #

    upside is potential
    risk is the odds that he bombs out

    greater potential usually translates to a larger risk because it’s often projection.

  45. guayzimi June 7, 2007 at 2:30 pm #

    The collusion against Porcello is based on money and the fact that you have to take an 18 year old righthander and put him on your 40-man as soon as you sign him. That means he’s on the major league roster at age 21 or he has to get through waivers. That’s a big time risk, imo…

  46. azruavatar June 7, 2007 at 2:33 pm #

    guayzimi – I here what you are saying. it isn’t really collusion but the cardinals have several players on their 40 man roster that I would replace with Porcello without a second thought.

  47. azruavatar June 7, 2007 at 2:34 pm #

    I hear it actually.

  48. guayzimi June 7, 2007 at 2:39 pm #

    Yeah, the 40 man isn’t a big deal, but the options clock has to be nerve-wracking. I think you can get a 4th year in case of injury, but still… If those two were college guys, that’d be one thing.

  49. Bill June 7, 2007 at 2:47 pm #

    I wish the cardinals had balls. I also wish I knew what these lenses are that luhnow is looking through. Seriously, if these guys were smart they would treat the draft like a fluid market. A fluid market says you can get these guys LATER in the day…and still pick someone else at 18.

    Jeff – grow some balls – take someone with risk and upside…please.

  50. SleepyCA June 7, 2007 at 2:48 pm #

    I guess we just have to hope that Luhnow is a better judge of risk and upside than the BP guys, eh?

  51. erik June 7, 2007 at 2:50 pm #

    no one can say the tigers are cheap. more power to them.

  52. John June 7, 2007 at 2:50 pm #

    Great comment Bill. How can the cardinals justify this pick ????

  53. Shhhh June 7, 2007 at 2:54 pm #

    God, I hope the Cards pick Harvey at 36 if he’s there, if they do I might be able to forgive them.

  54. John June 7, 2007 at 2:56 pm #

    Brackman to the Yankees at 30. UNreal

  55. erik June 7, 2007 at 2:56 pm #

    darn, i was hoping brack would fall to 36. harvey now looks like a great option

  56. azruavatar June 7, 2007 at 2:57 pm #

    Bill – Kozma isn’t a bad player, I really like the Marcus Giles comparison that I mentioned. It is a glaring need for the Cardinals in the middle infield. That said, he still wasn’t a first rounder imo but maybe one of their scouts saw something we don’t know about. It doesn’t have anything to do with Luhnow’s manhood though.

  57. tnek5 June 7, 2007 at 2:59 pm #

    I’m hoping this kid can start in short season soon and then maybe make the jump to quad cities before the end of the year.

  58. nycbirdo June 7, 2007 at 3:02 pm #

    i’m not upset about getting the guy – i don’t know anything about kozma. my gripe is that the cards reached for him; he was rated lower and they could get him or another middle infielder with later picks. with their first round pick i wanted the cards to get a high-upside guy. when a team picking later has people saying, “well, no one can say they’re cheap,” well, that’s the kind of pick i wanted the cards to make.

  59. guayzimi June 7, 2007 at 3:09 pm #

    Hey Az, if you had a need for a middle infielder and could be guaranteed to draft Marcus Giles II, wouldn’t you do it? The median first rounder probably doesn’t even reach the majors, let alone perform at an above average level for a couple years. True, ideally you want to hit the jackpot in the first round, but no one’s hit the jackpot on the #18 pick in at least 12 years.

  60. Bill June 7, 2007 at 3:13 pm #

    AZ – my apologies. I get worked up. I just don’t understand the need to go safe when that same safe player will likely be around later. Bernie interviewed Jeff and he said he was going for a homerun…am I missing something…

    Does homerun mean something for others. I just hate the safe pick when there is no need for it. I am sure it will be spun 18 different ways…but it really feels like DeWitt being cheap again.

    Either way…my apologies to Luhnow…and his manhood

  61. azruavatar June 7, 2007 at 3:14 pm #

    guayzimi – the cardinals should have picked porcello. no quesiton about it in my mind — he was probably the second best pitcher in the draft.

  62. erik June 7, 2007 at 3:17 pm #

    I don’t think they could’ve got Kozma lower. He was as high as #15 on some boards, including Jim Callis.

    Dang you, Reds. I like frazier

  63. Bill June 7, 2007 at 3:17 pm #

    Spun 18 different ways…same number as their highest pick in years…just noticed that …no pun intended.

  64. erik June 7, 2007 at 3:21 pm #

    TAKE HARVEY!!!!!

  65. erik June 7, 2007 at 3:21 pm #

    what the heck??????

  66. nycbirdo June 7, 2007 at 3:27 pm #

    ok, now i’m just frustrated. no harvey? i was looking for a big pick to make up for kozma.

    at this point, either luhnow is really, really good at his job, and is signing guys who are far better than others think, or i’m pissed. guess it will be awhile before we know.

  67. Bill June 7, 2007 at 3:27 pm #

    I officially rescind my apologies…Luhnow…you have no marbles….

  68. Don June 7, 2007 at 3:32 pm #

    Another reach… apparently the Cards are going cheap across the board this year.

  69. erik June 7, 2007 at 3:36 pm #

    without looking too much into mortenson, this is a crap pick. the guy posted a 3.92 ERA in a an extreme pitchers park. i’m baffled. and angry.

  70. Bill June 7, 2007 at 3:39 pm #

    Again, BA has this guy going in the third round. I thought Jeff was smart. Why are you talking people you can get with less valuable picks? This stink of being cheap…just like everything else for the past couple years. I don’t understand.

  71. ryan vb June 7, 2007 at 3:46 pm #

    The thing about Kozma is that he instantly becomes our top SS prospect in the system, IMO.

  72. azruavatar June 7, 2007 at 4:02 pm #

    Ryan Vb — he probably does as Greene still hasn’t translated his tools but Porcello would have instantly been our #2 pitching prospect behind Garcia and I’m giving the edge to Garcia because he’s at AA. In terms of ceiling Porcello wins.

  73. Bill June 7, 2007 at 4:02 pm #

    I posted this at VEB…but this is what this last pick reminds me of…sub Bill DeWitt for Rachel Phelps and sub us for the board members.

    Board Member 1: I’ve never heard of half of these guys and the ones I do know are way past their prime.

    Charlie Donovan: Most of these guys never had a prime.

    Board Member 2: This guy here is dead.

    Rachel Phelps: Cross him off then.

  74. ryanvb June 7, 2007 at 5:58 pm #

    no question it should have been Porcello (or even someone else) in that spot. besides, i’m really of the mind that we can always grab an SS via trade or FA, especially with trading depth. it’s worked out pretty well for us in the past…

  75. nms June 7, 2007 at 6:51 pm #

    I was on board with selecting Kozma although I wish Ahearns or Heyward would have fallen to 18. Kozma, from what I have seen and read about him, reminds me of a Jay Bell type player (Good–not great).

    Mortenson, on the other hand, was inexcusable. What a feeling to see a player who didn’t even merit getting picked last year getting picked by the Cards at #36. Do they understand what the draft is about??????

    Finally, not selecting Harvey in the third round was STUPID. Pretend that you are trying! I understand the draft rules correctly, at least they would get a pick at the end of the third round if they don’t sign him. I think the Cardinals owners are great but this smacks of “cheap” all the way through. 😦 😦 😦

  76. John June 7, 2007 at 8:40 pm #

    I am tired of cheap ownership. That is the only way to describe them. If we could not sign Porcello how can the Tigers ??

  77. Shhhh June 7, 2007 at 8:52 pm #

    Worst day of the year for me so far. The only pick I think was acceptable was the Russell pick. Seriously you can’t pick Matt Harvey with the 112 pick, pretty unexcusable. Could have had Will Middlebrocks in the 5th. omg. The list pretty much goes on and on.

    All I know is the Cards better at least take the hometown kid tomorrow in Tepesch. No idea how he didn’t get drafted. Also Greg Peavey, Jack McGeary, Tanner Robles, and Cole St. Clair are still on the board. If we don’t get all 5 of these guys tomorrow this draft in a loss to me. (Which means this is a loss.)

  78. erik June 7, 2007 at 9:30 pm #

    mcgeary is likely headed to stanford now.

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